"neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring" meaning in English

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Adjective

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Etymology: The three foods are metonyms for those things suitable to each of medieval society’s classes of people; fish represents the clergy, flesh represents commoners, whilst red herring represents paupers; the three classes are simplistically regarded as exhaustive. Head templates: {{en-adj|-|head=neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring}} neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring (not comparable)
  1. (idiomatic) Synonym of neither fish nor fowl (“not easily categorized; not rightly belonging or fitting well in a given group or situation; also, not having the advantages of the various options”) Tags: idiomatic, not-comparable Synonyms: neither fish nor fowl [synonym, synonym-of], neither fish, flesh, nor fowl, neither fish nor flesh, nor good red herring Translations (not easily categorized; not rightly belonging or fitting well in a given group or situation; not having the advantages of the various options — see also neither fish nor fowl): ni carn ni peix (Catalan), 唔湯唔水 (Chinese Cantonese), 唔汤唔水 (m⁴ tong¹ m⁴ seoi²) (Chinese Cantonese), 男不男女不女 (nán bù nán nǚ bù nǚ) (Chinese Mandarin), ei lintu eikä kala (Finnish), ni chair ni poisson (French), weder Fisch noch Fleisch (German), né carne né pesce (Italian), ни ры́ба ни мя́со (ni rýba ni mjáso) (Russian), ни то́ ни сё (ni tó ni sjo) (Russian), ни два́ ни полтора́ (ni dvá ni poltorá) (Russian), ни в пизду́, ни в Кра́сную А́рмию (ni v pizdú, ni v Krásnuju Ármiju) [vulgar] (Russian), ni carne ni pescado (Spanish), ni chicha ni limonada (Spanish), sin pies ni cabeza (Spanish), ні ри́ба ні м'я́со (ni rýba ni mʺjáso) (Ukrainian), ні се ні те (ni se ni te) (Ukrainian), ні те ні се (ni te ni se) (Ukrainian)
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          "text": "The work of Ude is intended for the higher ranks, and for people of fortune. We conceive the book and the cook to have been overrated. It is neither French nor English — neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring. For the rest, Lord Sefton, who was too much of a mere glutton, would have perverted the taste of any cook, however good, who had been long in his service.",
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          "roman": "ni se ni te",
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      "roman": "ni rýba ni mʺjáso",
      "sense": "not easily categorized; not rightly belonging or fitting well in a given group or situation; not having the advantages of the various options — see also neither fish nor fowl",
      "word": "ні ри́ба ні м'я́со"
    },
    {
      "code": "uk",
      "lang": "Ukrainian",
      "roman": "ni se ni te",
      "sense": "not easily categorized; not rightly belonging or fitting well in a given group or situation; not having the advantages of the various options — see also neither fish nor fowl",
      "word": "ні се ні те"
    },
    {
      "code": "uk",
      "lang": "Ukrainian",
      "roman": "ni te ni se",
      "sense": "not easily categorized; not rightly belonging or fitting well in a given group or situation; not having the advantages of the various options — see also neither fish nor fowl",
      "word": "ні те ні се"
    }
  ],
  "word": "neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring"
}

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