"فرمودن" meaning in Persian

See فرمودن in All languages combined, or Wiktionary

Verb

IPA: [faɾ.muː.ðan] [Classical-Persian], [fäɾ.muː.d̪än] [Dari, formal], [fäɾ.muː.d̪än] [Dari, formal], [fäɾ.muː.d̪än] [Kabuli], [fäɾ.mu.d̪än] (note: Hazaragi), [fæɹ.muː.d̪æn] [Iran, formal], [fäɾ.mu.d̪än] [Tajik, formal] Audio: LL-Q9168 (fas)-Darafsh-فرمودن.wav Forms: farmudan [romanization], فرما [present, stem]
Etymology: From Middle Persian [Book Pahlavi needed] (plmwtn', plmʾd- /⁠framūdan, framāy-⁠/, “to order, command”), from Old Persian [Term?] (/⁠framа̄-⁠/), from Proto-Iranian *fra- + *maH- (“to measure”), the latter from Proto-Indo-European *meh₁- (“to measure”). Etymology templates: {{inh|fa|pal||sc=Phlv|t=to order, command|tr=plmwtn', plmʾd-|ts=framūdan, framāy-}} Middle Persian [Book Pahlavi needed] (plmwtn', plmʾd- /⁠framūdan, framāy-⁠/, “to order, command”), {{inh|fa|peo|ts=framа̄-}} Old Persian [Term?] (/⁠framа̄-⁠/), {{inh|fa|ira-pro|*fra-}} Proto-Iranian *fra-, {{m|ira-pro|*maH-|t=to measure}} *maH- (“to measure”), {{inh|fa|ine-pro|*meh₁-|t=to measure}} Proto-Indo-European *meh₁- (“to measure”) Head templates: {{head|fa|verb|present stem|فرما|||f1tr=farmâ|f2tr=|head=|sort=|tr=farmudan}} فرمودن • (farmudan) (present stem فرما (farmâ)), {{fa-verb|prstem=فرما|tr=farmudan|tr2=farmâ}} فرمودن • (farmudan) (present stem فرما (farmâ))
  1. to order, to command Synonyms: دستور دادن
    Sense id: en-فرمودن-fa-verb-1QLA16dW Categories (other): Persian entries with incorrect language header Disambiguation of Persian entries with incorrect language header: 89 5 6
  2. (deferential, formal) to say; used as a substitute for گفتن (goftan, “to say”) to show respect. Tags: deferential, formal
    Sense id: en-فرمودن-fa-verb-yyQzDAJj
  3. (deferential, formal) In compound verbs, occasionally used as a substitute for کردن (kardan, “to do”) to show respect. Tags: deferential, formal
    Sense id: en-فرمودن-fa-verb-7TuUrbYx
The following are not (yet) sense-disambiguated
Related terms: فرمان (farmân), فرمایش (farmâyeš)

Inflected forms

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          "expansion": "⇒ Gujarati: ફરમાવવું (pharmāvvũ)",
          "name": "desc"
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      "text": "⇒ Gujarati: ફરમાવવું (pharmāvvũ)"
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          "expansion": "⇒ Bengali: ফরমানো (fôrmano)",
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      "text": "⇒ Hindustani:"
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      "text": "Hindi: फ़रमाना (farmānā)"
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        {
          "english": "If the arrow of the enemies' cruelty comes [to you],\nGrieve not your heart, for the Friend commands [it]!\nEvery disgrace that comes to the wretched lover\nIs endurable, should the dear beloved desire it.\n(Classical Persian transliteration.)",
          "ref": "c. 1260, Saʿdī, “Rubaʿī 73”, in دیوان سعدی [The Divān of Saʿdī]",
          "roman": "čōn yār-i azīz mē-pasandad šāyad",
          "text": "گر تیر جفای دشمنان میآید\nدل تنگ مکن که دوست میفرماید\nبر یار ذلیل هر ملامت کاید\nچون یار عزیز میپسندد شاید\ngar tīr-i jafā-yi dušmanān mē-āyad\ndil tang ma-kun ki dōst mē-farmāyad\nbar yār-i zalīl har malāmat k-āyad",
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        {
          "word": "دستور دادن"
        }
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        {
          "english": "What did you say?",
          "roman": "či farmudid?",
          "text": "چی فرمودید؟",
          "type": "example"
        }
      ],
      "glosses": [
        "to say; used as a substitute for گفتن (goftan, “to say”) to show respect."
      ],
      "id": "en-فرمودن-fa-verb-yyQzDAJj",
      "links": [
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          "say",
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        ],
        [
          "گفتن",
          "گفتن#Persian"
        ]
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        "(deferential, formal) to say; used as a substitute for گفتن (goftan, “to say”) to show respect."
      ],
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        "deferential",
        "formal"
      ]
    },
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        "In compound verbs, occasionally used as a substitute for کردن (kardan, “to do”) to show respect."
      ],
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      "links": [
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          "کردن",
          "کردن#Persian"
        ]
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        "(deferential, formal) In compound verbs, occasionally used as a substitute for کردن (kardan, “to do”) to show respect."
      ],
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        "deferential",
        "formal"
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      "ipa": "[faɾ.muː.ðan]",
      "tags": [
        "Classical-Persian"
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      "ipa": "[fäɾ.muː.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Dari",
        "formal"
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      "ipa": "[fäɾ.muː.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Dari",
        "formal"
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      "ipa": "[fäɾ.muː.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Kabuli"
      ]
    },
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      "ipa": "[fäɾ.mu.d̪än]",
      "note": "Hazaragi"
    },
    {
      "ipa": "[fæɹ.muː.d̪æn]",
      "tags": [
        "Iran",
        "formal"
      ]
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      "ipa": "[fäɾ.mu.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Tajik",
        "formal"
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      "text": "Audio"
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  ],
  "word": "فرمودن"
}
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  "categories": [
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    "Persian lemmas",
    "Persian terms derived from Middle Persian",
    "Persian terms derived from Old Persian",
    "Persian terms derived from Proto-Indo-European",
    "Persian terms derived from Proto-Iranian",
    "Persian terms inherited from Middle Persian",
    "Persian terms inherited from Old Persian",
    "Persian terms inherited from Proto-Indo-European",
    "Persian terms inherited from Proto-Iranian",
    "Persian terms with IPA pronunciation",
    "Persian terms with audio links",
    "Persian verbs",
    "Requests for Book Pahlavi script for Middle Persian terms"
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  "descendants": [
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          },
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          "name": "desc"
        }
      ],
      "text": "⇒ Gujarati: ફરમાવવું (pharmāvvũ)"
    },
    {
      "depth": 1,
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      "text": "⇒ Hindustani:"
    },
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          "name": "desc"
        }
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      "depth": 1,
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        }
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      "depth": 1,
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      "name": "inh"
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        "5": "",
        "6": "",
        "f1tr": "farmâ",
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        "head": "",
        "sort": "",
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      "name": "head"
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  "lang_code": "fa",
  "pos": "verb",
  "related": [
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      "roman": "farmân",
      "word": "فرمان"
    },
    {
      "roman": "farmâyeš",
      "word": "فرمایش"
    }
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    {
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        "Persian terms with quotations"
      ],
      "examples": [
        {
          "english": "If the arrow of the enemies' cruelty comes [to you],\nGrieve not your heart, for the Friend commands [it]!\nEvery disgrace that comes to the wretched lover\nIs endurable, should the dear beloved desire it.\n(Classical Persian transliteration.)",
          "ref": "c. 1260, Saʿdī, “Rubaʿī 73”, in دیوان سعدی [The Divān of Saʿdī]",
          "roman": "čōn yār-i azīz mē-pasandad šāyad",
          "text": "گر تیر جفای دشمنان میآید\nدل تنگ مکن که دوست میفرماید\nبر یار ذلیل هر ملامت کاید\nچون یار عزیز میپسندد شاید\ngar tīr-i jafā-yi dušmanān mē-āyad\ndil tang ma-kun ki dōst mē-farmāyad\nbar yār-i zalīl har malāmat k-āyad",
          "type": "quotation"
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        "to order, to command"
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        [
          "command",
          "command"
        ]
      ],
      "synonyms": [
        {
          "word": "دستور دادن"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "categories": [
        "Persian formal terms",
        "Persian terms with usage examples"
      ],
      "examples": [
        {
          "english": "What did you say?",
          "roman": "či farmudid?",
          "text": "چی فرمودید؟",
          "type": "example"
        }
      ],
      "glosses": [
        "to say; used as a substitute for گفتن (goftan, “to say”) to show respect."
      ],
      "links": [
        [
          "say",
          "say"
        ],
        [
          "گفتن",
          "گفتن#Persian"
        ]
      ],
      "raw_glosses": [
        "(deferential, formal) to say; used as a substitute for گفتن (goftan, “to say”) to show respect."
      ],
      "tags": [
        "deferential",
        "formal"
      ]
    },
    {
      "categories": [
        "Persian formal terms"
      ],
      "glosses": [
        "In compound verbs, occasionally used as a substitute for کردن (kardan, “to do”) to show respect."
      ],
      "links": [
        [
          "کردن",
          "کردن#Persian"
        ]
      ],
      "raw_glosses": [
        "(deferential, formal) In compound verbs, occasionally used as a substitute for کردن (kardan, “to do”) to show respect."
      ],
      "tags": [
        "deferential",
        "formal"
      ]
    }
  ],
  "sounds": [
    {
      "ipa": "[faɾ.muː.ðan]",
      "tags": [
        "Classical-Persian"
      ]
    },
    {
      "ipa": "[fäɾ.muː.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Dari",
        "formal"
      ]
    },
    {
      "ipa": "[fäɾ.muː.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Dari",
        "formal"
      ]
    },
    {
      "ipa": "[fäɾ.muː.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Kabuli"
      ]
    },
    {
      "ipa": "[fäɾ.mu.d̪än]",
      "note": "Hazaragi"
    },
    {
      "ipa": "[fæɹ.muː.d̪æn]",
      "tags": [
        "Iran",
        "formal"
      ]
    },
    {
      "ipa": "[fäɾ.mu.d̪än]",
      "tags": [
        "Tajik",
        "formal"
      ]
    },
    {
      "audio": "LL-Q9168 (fas)-Darafsh-فرمودن.wav",
      "mp3_url": "https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/e/e8/LL-Q9168_%28fas%29-Darafsh-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%86.wav/LL-Q9168_%28fas%29-Darafsh-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%86.wav.mp3",
      "ogg_url": "https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/e/e8/LL-Q9168_%28fas%29-Darafsh-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%86.wav/LL-Q9168_%28fas%29-Darafsh-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%86.wav.ogg",
      "text": "Audio"
    }
  ],
  "word": "فرمودن"
}

This page is a part of the kaikki.org machine-readable Persian dictionary. This dictionary is based on structured data extracted on 2024-05-01 from the enwiktionary dump dated 2024-04-21 using wiktextract (f4fd8c9 and c9440ce). The data shown on this site has been post-processed and various details (e.g., extra categories) removed, some information disambiguated, and additional data merged from other sources. See the raw data download page for the unprocessed wiktextract data.

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